Full Version: Juggernaut -v-The Hulk
woke up this moring after watching TNA:Impact a wrestling program that comes on Thursday Nights at 11:00 pm and Saturdays at 12:00 they had a match with two huge guys on their named Rhino and Samoa Joe...it got me to thinking how this would translate into the world of comics and what I came up with is could the Juggernaut stand toe to toe or even beat The Hulk?....I remember reading before how the only way you could stop Jugernaut was to remove his helmet..Chances are the Hulk wouldn't be calm enough to think about that would he?..So as odd as it sounds Juggernaut -v- Hulk could be a better match then The Thing-v The Hulk which is classic at least I think so,...What are your thoughts?
Hulk, no doubt. Juggie's tougher until he starts pounding on Green Genes, but as soon as Banner Boy gets madder, he gets stronger. Inevitably, Cain would push Hulk beyond even his great power. It also helps Hulk regenerates almost instantly. Juggle-butt wouldn't stand a chance.
I think this fight would last ssssssssssooooooooooooo long until Juggy would have to give in and be crushed...or got Hulk to become Banner and then Hulk would be crushed.
Hulk would get so strong he'd bypass all the enchantments Juggernaut has. He's done such things before.
yea i think this fight would have to last like 4 issues at least, but in the end hulk would get madder than juggys magic could hold. but i think juggy would end up walking away before he got beat to a pulp or anything. he would make a smart ass comment like he hasnt got time for the hulk, push him over, and take off running.
the hulk....
hulk is strongest there is....
isn't juggy a good guy now?
i would like to see them kick ass together as opposed to fighting each other
hulk is strongest there is....
isn't juggy a good guy now?
i would like to see them kick ass together as opposed to fighting each other
guys this thread really belongs in SHSD....
Oh wait........
Oh wait........
Juggy!
Been done in the HULK comic. In the end Hulk punches out Juggernaught.
I wanted juggernaught to win.
At least Juggs didn't get punked as bad as when he fights Thor who uses his hammer to summon a rip in the dimensional fabric and then knocks Juggy off planet. He has proven its his only tatic that can stop him.
I wanted juggernaught to win.
At least Juggs didn't get punked as bad as when he fights Thor who uses his hammer to summon a rip in the dimensional fabric and then knocks Juggy off planet. He has proven its his only tatic that can stop him.
Hulk would win easily! Juggernaut is overrated. He is strong and tough yes, but he is hardly immovable. Onslaught flicked him halfway across North America for Christ sake. No one beats Hulk in a pure head on brawl.
Juggernaut.
HOW ABOUT AN ARMWRESTLING WITH THESE TWO,THE WINNER GETS TO ARMWRESTLE THE WINNER OF SENTRY V.S. HERCULES!!!!
i have a few isssue were the hulk and juggy have fought once was when the hulk was smart and juggy beat him without even wearing his armor and the second time around was when hulk temporaily became one of apocalypse horseman (war) and beat the snot out of juggy.
it depends on which hulk if it is smart hulk juggy will take him out if it is the savage hulk he would kick juggy's butt
It doesn't matter how mad Hulk gets....he CANNOT penetrate Juggernaut's forcefield. Juggernaut's stats say that he is well over class 100 strength and the upper limit of his strength, if any, is not known. He's easily as durable as the hulk w/out his forcefield and possesses a magical healing factor that's just as effecient as Hulk's. ........However when he mentally activates his forcefield he CANNOT be physically harmed. The Hulk can punch him or throw him, but he cannot Hurt or KO the Juggernaut.
Remember all those LONg back and forth battles zHulk has had with Thor and Thing ??
Well Juggernaut completely manhandled Thor in his own book. Thor came at Juggernaut w/ a punches, full power hammer strikes, lightening.......Juggernaut didn't even blink. Not a scratch. Then he laughed and proceeded to bitch slap Thor like a hooker. It wasn't even close. thor had to fall back on his magical tricks to beat Juggernaut ( teleportation, blocking Juggernaut's powers) because in a pure physical battle he was COMPLETELY over matched. It was like Mike Tyson vs Gary Coleman.
As for Thing, Hulk's sparring partner, Juggernaut put him down w/ exactly ONE hammer fist to the dome (Secret war II). Fight over.
Hulk fought Juggernaut WAAAAY back when in his own title, It was pretty even, but the fight was interrupted by the X-Men.
They met later in a swamp and Juggernaut just just had his way w/ Hulk and EASILY KOed him in a very short fight. Haters like to say Juggernaut used trickery by attacking in his street clothes and Hulk thought it was just a regular guy...LOL, C'mon, Hulk was attacked by a HUGE 6ft 10 inch 900LB beast and he had no idea something was up ?? BTW how many people have KOed the Hulk....ever ??? Even Thor could NEVER do that w/ his hammer...much less his fists.
Later on Hulk was mind controlled by Mentallo and teamed up w/ Juggernaut to thump on the Avengers. Hulk managed to break free of Mentallo's attack, but the phsychic backlash fried everyone's brain in the vicinity. Juggernaut was heavily affected by this (remember psi-bolts are his main weakness). He was already brainfried and Hulk gave the weakened Juggernaut a gut shot that dropped him. ....however Juggernaut was under the impression Hulk was still his alley, was just brain fried. weakened and w/ his forcefield and gurd down it's no surprise Hulk hurt him, but he was already sign sealed and delivered.
They did fight once more, but Hulk was suped up BIG TIME as Apocalypse's horseman WAR. He was enhanced w/ ALOT of celestial power and technology so it wasn't you regular Hulk. He lost those power ups after this story.
I remember back when peter David was writing Hulk the subject of Hulk vs Juggernaut was brought up in the letters column......The reply was that the consensus among the Hulk staff was that Juggernaut WOULD beat the Hulk in a straight up fight.
Remember all those LONg back and forth battles zHulk has had with Thor and Thing ??
Well Juggernaut completely manhandled Thor in his own book. Thor came at Juggernaut w/ a punches, full power hammer strikes, lightening.......Juggernaut didn't even blink. Not a scratch. Then he laughed and proceeded to bitch slap Thor like a hooker. It wasn't even close. thor had to fall back on his magical tricks to beat Juggernaut ( teleportation, blocking Juggernaut's powers) because in a pure physical battle he was COMPLETELY over matched. It was like Mike Tyson vs Gary Coleman.
As for Thing, Hulk's sparring partner, Juggernaut put him down w/ exactly ONE hammer fist to the dome (Secret war II). Fight over.
Hulk fought Juggernaut WAAAAY back when in his own title, It was pretty even, but the fight was interrupted by the X-Men.
They met later in a swamp and Juggernaut just just had his way w/ Hulk and EASILY KOed him in a very short fight. Haters like to say Juggernaut used trickery by attacking in his street clothes and Hulk thought it was just a regular guy...LOL, C'mon, Hulk was attacked by a HUGE 6ft 10 inch 900LB beast and he had no idea something was up ?? BTW how many people have KOed the Hulk....ever ??? Even Thor could NEVER do that w/ his hammer...much less his fists.
Later on Hulk was mind controlled by Mentallo and teamed up w/ Juggernaut to thump on the Avengers. Hulk managed to break free of Mentallo's attack, but the phsychic backlash fried everyone's brain in the vicinity. Juggernaut was heavily affected by this (remember psi-bolts are his main weakness). He was already brainfried and Hulk gave the weakened Juggernaut a gut shot that dropped him. ....however Juggernaut was under the impression Hulk was still his alley, was just brain fried. weakened and w/ his forcefield and gurd down it's no surprise Hulk hurt him, but he was already sign sealed and delivered.
They did fight once more, but Hulk was suped up BIG TIME as Apocalypse's horseman WAR. He was enhanced w/ ALOT of celestial power and technology so it wasn't you regular Hulk. He lost those power ups after this story.
I remember back when peter David was writing Hulk the subject of Hulk vs Juggernaut was brought up in the letters column......The reply was that the consensus among the Hulk staff was that Juggernaut WOULD beat the Hulk in a straight up fight.
Sure Thor couldn't beat him physically but he DID beat him twice. Thor got annoyed at Juggy and teleported him a galaxy away. And again Thor used his hammer to steal Juggy's powers AND shield, then Thor beat him like a ragdoll. Please try to remember that Juggy is vulnerable to magic and the only reason he wasn't killed by Thor is because Marvel wants to continue using him. 
Another thing is maybe Hulk can't hurt Cain but he doesn't have to hurt him to beat him. Hulk is much stronger than Juggy, he can simply throw Juggy away like a piece of used toilet paper...and has. Sure, he KOed hulk...SMART HULK. Smart Hulk was a little bitch, so bravo he knocked out the weakest Hulk imaginable.
Notice a pattern? When fighting Juggy you can use sonic, psychic, magic or if your bored just pick him up and throw him away like trash.
Currently Jobbernaut...I mean Juggernaut is drastically depowered and Hulk could use him like a toilet.
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Another thing is maybe Hulk can't hurt Cain but he doesn't have to hurt him to beat him. Hulk is much stronger than Juggy, he can simply throw Juggy away like a piece of used toilet paper...and has. Sure, he KOed hulk...SMART HULK. Smart Hulk was a little bitch, so bravo he knocked out the weakest Hulk imaginable.
Notice a pattern? When fighting Juggy you can use sonic, psychic, magic or if your bored just pick him up and throw him away like trash.
Currently Jobbernaut...I mean Juggernaut is drastically depowered and Hulk could use him like a toilet.
[attachmentid=373]Here I'll let Hulk end this thread.
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Been done in the HULK comic. In the end Hulk punches out Juggernaught.
I wanted juggernaught to win.
At least Juggs didn't get punked as bad as when he fights Thor who uses his hammer to summon a rip in the dimensional fabric and then knocks Juggy off planet. He has proven its his only tatic that can stop him.
I wanted juggernaught to win.
At least Juggs didn't get punked as bad as when he fights Thor who uses his hammer to summon a rip in the dimensional fabric and then knocks Juggy off planet. He has proven its his only tatic that can stop him.
I think I have that one. Incredible Hulk 172 if i'm not mistaken.
love juggy but i'd have to give it too the Hulk, even more so now that Juggernaut has be depowered, why was he depowered?
Didn't Hulk also override Juggernaut's magic at some point? I think it was when Apocalypse gave Hulk some enhancements or something, he was able to stop Juggernaut in a full charge, no? Maybe it was just whatever Apocalypse did to him, but apparently Hulk is strong enough to override the Cyttorak gem's magic.
Peace.
Peace.
Sadly, Juggernaut has been the victum of some very bad writing; and now having the depowered version of him as a hero is just plain silly. There is no way that anyone should be able to beat the Juggernaut easily. Should guys like the Hulk and Thor be able to beat him? Definately, but just barely. Juggernaut should be written as the nigh unstoppable force of nature that he was intended to be. It should take an entire team like the Avengers, or the Fantastic Four to take him down on one of his rampages. Come to think of it, that would make for a damned entertaining story.
QUOTE(Thetrueodinson @ Sep 26 2006, 10:47 AM) 
love juggy but i'd have to give it too the Hulk, even more so now that Juggernaut has be depowered, why was he depowered?
He lost complete contact with the gem's power. It was half heartedly explained awhile back in one of the xbooks I think. It was around the time that black tom got his secondary mutation if my foggy memory servers correctly
bring back the stronger evil version of juggy is what I say
i'd like to see hulk win but in a long drawn out battle
the hulk would win like in the past when they have fought. who would youy like to see draw the fight?
juggy would win ,how many times has the abomination beaten the hulk?-
When was the last time the hulk faught the abomination? 95?
in the bruce jones story they fought and the hulk kicked the abomination's @$$
QUOTE(shiky800 @ Sep 26 2006, 06:02 PM)
the hulk would win like in the past when they have fought. who would youy like to see draw the fight?
jim lee
I would like to see deodoto jr. I just love the way he drew the hulk in his bruce jones run
*Looks around*
What the heck?? This thread is still going?
Hulk already ended it.
Here I'll let Hulk end this thread.
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What the heck?? This thread is still going?
Hulk already ended it.
QUOTE(raven1 @ Sep 26 2006, 02:19 AM)
Here I'll let Hulk end this thread.
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Hulk is much stronger than Juggy, he can simply throw Juggy away like a piece of used toilet paper... yea
QUOTE(shiky800 @ Sep 26 2006, 05:56 PM)
bring back the stronger evil version of juggy is what I say
ya i agree! he use to be such a huge threat to the x-men, this is what i just don't get with Marvel comics, why do all their villains turn heroes after a while! cut the crap!
Hulk would "win". By win, I mean he'd just end up tossing Juggernaut far away.
"Hulk would "win". By win, I mean he'd just end up tossing Juggernaut far away."
How is this a victory? Sure Hulk could toss the Juggernaut a ways, but so what. Juggernaut would simply come right back.
And that lamo page that Raven1 keeps posting has got to be the worst fight ever between the Hulk and Juggernaut. Who was writing that? It really should have never seen print as it truly makes Juggernaut out to be a pathetic wimp, rather than the powerhouse he should be. Why would he care if the Hulk removed his helmet? Its only there to ward off psychic attacks. No danger of that in this fight.
How is this a victory? Sure Hulk could toss the Juggernaut a ways, but so what. Juggernaut would simply come right back.
And that lamo page that Raven1 keeps posting has got to be the worst fight ever between the Hulk and Juggernaut. Who was writing that? It really should have never seen print as it truly makes Juggernaut out to be a pathetic wimp, rather than the powerhouse he should be. Why would he care if the Hulk removed his helmet? Its only there to ward off psychic attacks. No danger of that in this fight.
Hulk gets stronger the madder he gets so he could kill Juggernaut plus Hulk has way more experience in fighting cuz of the whole space thing and dimension, mind s---.
QUOTE(Thetrueodinson @ Sep 27 2006, 12:34 AM)
ya i agree! he use to be such a huge threat to the x-men, this is what i just don't get with Marvel comics, why do all their villains turn heroes after a while! cut the crap!
Because Marvel has found a niche with turning villains to heroes. Look at how many Spider-Man's flipped. lol But with the X-Men, how many times have Magneto, Mystique, or Sabretooth switched sides? I've lost count.
QUOTE(Super-Soldier @ Sep 27 2006, 05:50 PM)
"Hulk would "win". By win, I mean he'd just end up tossing Juggernaut far away."
How is this a victory? Sure Hulk could toss the Juggernaut a ways, but so what. Juggernaut would simply come right back.
And that lamo page that Raven1 keeps posting has got to be the worst fight ever between the Hulk and Juggernaut. Who was writing that? It really should have never seen print as it truly makes Juggernaut out to be a pathetic wimp, rather than the powerhouse he should be. Why would he care if the Hulk removed his helmet? Its only there to ward off psychic attacks. No danger of that in this fight.
Boo hoo hoo. Just because Raven1 provided an actual picture representing his argument you automatically go "who wrote that trash!". Calm down, it's only comics.
Thanks for the support Jerry.
And Super-Soldier, to answer your question the writer was Tony Isabella.
Not exactly Stan Lee but with 25 years in the industry he's not some jobber either. He has served as a judge on the Eisner comic industry awards and he created Black Lightning and Tigra, among others.
And Super-Soldier, to answer your question the writer was Tony Isabella.
Not exactly Stan Lee but with 25 years in the industry he's not some jobber either. He has served as a judge on the Eisner comic industry awards and he created Black Lightning and Tigra, among others.
QUOTE(Super-Soldier @ Sep 27 2006, 05:50 PM)
"Hulk would "win". By win, I mean he'd just end up tossing Juggernaut far away."
How is this a victory? Sure Hulk could toss the Juggernaut a ways, but so what. Juggernaut would simply come right back.
And that lamo page that Raven1 keeps posting has got to be the worst fight ever between the Hulk and Juggernaut. Who was writing that? It really should have never seen print as it truly makes Juggernaut out to be a pathetic wimp, rather than the powerhouse he should be. Why would he care if the Hulk removed his helmet? Its only there to ward off psychic attacks. No danger of that in this fight.
oi! a wins a win! even though it isn't that epic.... more funny than anything else
QUOTE(Super-Soldier @ Sep 27 2006, 05:50 PM)
How is this a victory? Sure Hulk could toss the Juggernaut a ways, but so what. Juggernaut would simply come right back.
That's why I put win in ****ing quotes. Honestly, I think Hulk would bring down Juggs. Hulk has no strength limit.
i remember in the x-men cartoon gladiator showed up at banshee's castle while juggernaut and black tom cassidy were there and gladiator just got rid of juggernaut like nothing
QUOTE(RockComics606 @ Sep 27 2006, 09:08 PM)
i remember in the x-men cartoon gladiator showed up at banshee's castle while juggernaut and black tom cassidy were there and gladiator just got rid of juggernaut like nothing
Exactly, Juggy isn't the strongest character around he is just one of the most durable if not THE most durable.
If you want to beat him throw him away.
I don't think getting tossed a few miles away would make him "gung-ho" for round 2.
QUOTE(raven1 @ Sep 26 2006, 05:19 AM)
"Sure Thor couldn't beat him physically but he DID beat him twice. Thor got annoyed at Juggy and teleported him a galaxy away. "------------------------------------------------Thankyou for stating that Thor could NOT beat (or hang in ANY way) w/ Juggernaut in a physical match....and LOL and Thor being "annoyed" and teleporting him away....Yeah he was real "annoyed" when Juggernaut was bitch slapping him like hooker that owed him money. He teleported him because it was his LAST resort. His strongest blows, hammer striks, and lightening could NOT save him from getting clowned in his own book, so he had to teleport the Juggernaut to save himself from the savage beating he was recieving.........Thor never had THAT much trouble w/ the Hulk. They can hang w/ each other in a fist fight....Thor CANNOT hang w/ Juggernaut in any kind of physical match and Juggernaut already KOed the Hulk.
" And again Thor used his hammer to steal Juggy's powers AND shield, then Thor beat him like a ragdoll. Please try to remember that Juggy is vulnerable to magic and the only reason he wasn't killed by Thor is because Marvel wants to continue using him.
"----------------------I did remeber . Read the post again, I said that Thor cannot hang w/ Juggernaut PHYSICALLY....and that alone says alot about how a bout between "Hulk and Juggernaut. Just like Juggernaut KOing hte Thing w/ ONE punch. Hulk never did that either."Another thing is maybe Hulk can't hurt Cain but he doesn't have to hurt him to beat him. Hulk is much stronger than Juggy, he can simply throw Juggy away like a piece of used toilet paper...and has."--------------------------------------------------- nSo what, Juggernaut could easily do the same to Hulk....Who wants to read that ??!!
"Notice a pattern? When fighting Juggy you can use sonic, psychic, magic or if your bored just pick him up and throw him away like trash."-----------------------------That's perfectly obvious, the point is that in any kind of physical match you cannot hurt him in any way......and he's as strong as he needs to be. ( Upper strength limits, if any, unknown....beyond class 100)...He's basically the Hulk w/ an impervious forcefield. ..........Also, most guys don't just happen to have psychic powers or sonics.
"Currently Jobbernaut...I mean Juggernaut is drastically depowered and Hulk could use him like a toilet."-----------------------------------The real Juggernaut will be back sooner or later w/out question.
[attachmentid=373]Here I'll let Hulk end this thread.
QUOTE(Baltho08 @ Sep 26 2006, 11:48 AM)
Didn't Hulk also override Juggernaut's magic at some point? I think it was when Apocalypse gave Hulk some enhancements or something, he was able to stop Juggernaut in a full charge, no? Maybe it was just whatever Apocalypse did to him, but apparently Hulk is strong enough to override the Cyttorak gem's magic.
Peace.
QUOTE(yoyoyo @ Sep 27 2006, 07:31 PM)
Hulk gets stronger the madder he gets so he could kill Juggernaut plus Hulk has way more experience in fighting cuz of the whole space thing and dimension, mind s---.
QUOTE(Jerry Whitworth @ Sep 27 2006, 07:33 PM)
Because Marvel has found a niche with turning villains to heroes. Look at how many Spider-Man's flipped. lol But with the X-Men, how many times have Magneto, Mystique, or Sabretooth switched sides? I've lost count.
Boo hoo hoo. Just because Raven1 provided an actual picture representing his argument you automatically go "who wrote that trash!". Calm down, it's only comics.
-------------------------------------------------------Well it is a bad example because the Hulk doesn't actually "defeat" the Juggernaut there. He just throws him which is something comic book strongguys do to each other ALL THE TIME. No one ever goes down from one of those it just leads into more battle and wide spread destruction..........The X-Men showed up in like the next page....interrupt the battle w/ Hulk, and ProffX mind zaps the Jggernaut. THAT"S HOW THEY BEAT HIM.
It's also an example of bad writing becuse the writer SHOULD know that Juggernaut's helmet is only there to defend psi-attacks, so it's ridiculous that he would freak out by losing it in a battle w/ Hulk of all people.
QUOTE(Dom @ Sep 28 2006, 12:03 AM)
That's why I put win in ****ing quotes. Honestly, I think Hulk would bring down Juggs. Hulk has no strength limit.
QUOTE(raven1 @ Sep 28 2006, 12:45 AM)
Exactly, Juggy isn't the strongest character around he is just one of the most durable if not THE most durable.
If you want to beat him throw him away.
I don't think getting tossed a few miles away would make him "gung-ho" for round 2.
The fact that Hulk has, with little difficulty, thrown Juggy far away shows that he is stronger. If Juggy could have stopped him wouldn't he have done so? ...or does Juggy enjoy scenic trips into a cliff face?
Onslaught KOed Juggy easily but a seriously enraged Hulk fought and helped defeat Onslaught. Simple logic shows that Hulk can and will become stronger than Juggy. He won't hurt Juggy but he doesn't have anything to worry about either, you don't seem to like the throw technique but sadly it will ALWAYS work against Juggy.
Don't ever try to use Thor in any scenario, you think Juggy has been short-changed by bad writers? He's got nothing on Thor. In one issue Thor has trouble with Hulk but in another he's fighting the Celestials, it makes no sense. Its been shown that he can shake (nearly shatter) a planet with a full force blow from his hammer and yet Marvel states that Wonder Man can hit with the full strength of Thor's hammer...wtf?
Thor has fought Gods, Ancient Demons, Galactus and the Celestials (3 times), they tone him down because he is simply way too strong for the marvel universe. Only 4 people have damaged a Celestial (to my knowledge); The Beyonder (which they allowed to win), Thanos w/ Infinity Gauntlet, Sue Storm (when ALL of The Watchers granted her limitless energy), and Thor.
Anyway, this whole fight isn't even relevent anymore. In every encounter in the past (Angry) Hulk has won and currently Jobbernaut is a complete joke in terms of power, The Thing could tear him apart like tissue paper. Just because you want him powered up doesn't mean he will...not that it matters because if he did Hulk would only continue his unbeaten streak.
Onslaught KOed Juggy easily but a seriously enraged Hulk fought and helped defeat Onslaught. Simple logic shows that Hulk can and will become stronger than Juggy. He won't hurt Juggy but he doesn't have anything to worry about either, you don't seem to like the throw technique but sadly it will ALWAYS work against Juggy.
Don't ever try to use Thor in any scenario, you think Juggy has been short-changed by bad writers? He's got nothing on Thor. In one issue Thor has trouble with Hulk but in another he's fighting the Celestials, it makes no sense. Its been shown that he can shake (nearly shatter) a planet with a full force blow from his hammer and yet Marvel states that Wonder Man can hit with the full strength of Thor's hammer...wtf?
Thor has fought Gods, Ancient Demons, Galactus and the Celestials (3 times), they tone him down because he is simply way too strong for the marvel universe. Only 4 people have damaged a Celestial (to my knowledge); The Beyonder (which they allowed to win), Thanos w/ Infinity Gauntlet, Sue Storm (when ALL of The Watchers granted her limitless energy), and Thor.
Anyway, this whole fight isn't even relevent anymore. In every encounter in the past (Angry) Hulk has won and currently Jobbernaut is a complete joke in terms of power, The Thing could tear him apart like tissue paper. Just because you want him powered up doesn't mean he will...not that it matters because if he did Hulk would only continue his unbeaten streak.
QUOTE(SKARHEAD @ Sep 28 2006, 06:25 AM)
The Juggernaut has been able to match both him and Thor in stength w/ no problem. The MU handbook states that Juggernaut has well over class 100 strength and that his upper limit "IF ANY" is unknown.
Same for Hulk. His strength has no limit. Eventually, his raw strength will be too much for Juggy and he'll probably just end up tossing him away.
There was a Superman/Spider-Man team-up back in the early eighties where Hulk fought Supes. Superman just stood there and took his beating since he figured Hulk would get tired. After a little bit, though, Superman started to feel the blows and was starting to get pushed back. This was Pre-Crisis Superman, too, the guy who could kick a planet out of orbit if he felt like it.
Hulk Smash!!!!
For the win.
For the win.
QUOTE(raven1 @ Sep 28 2006, 08:13 AM)
The fact that Hulk has, with little difficulty, thrown Juggy far away shows that he is stronger. If Juggy could have stopped him wouldn't he have done so? ...or does Juggy enjoy scenic trips into a cliff face?
Onslaught KOed Juggy easily but a seriously enraged Hulk fought and helped defeat Onslaught. Simple logic shows that Hulk can and will become stronger than Juggy. He won't hurt Juggy but he doesn't have anything to worry about either, you don't seem to like the throw technique but sadly it will ALWAYS work against Juggy. ----------------------------You OBVIOUSLY missed the entire point of the Onslaught story. Onslaught was simply a mixture of the evil aspects of Magneto and more importanyly CHARLES XAVIER. As in PSYCHIC POWER= Juggernaut's main weakness. Onslaught was a true psi-beast (Xavier amped up and evil). He did more damage to Juggernaut phychically than physically. By frying his mind, forcing him to mentally drop his forcefield, and hitting him w/ the full force of Magneto's electromagnetic powers.......The Hulk does NOT have pscychic powers. He can't fry Juggernaut's mind like Onslaught can or force him to drop hi forcefield
Don't ever try to use Thor in any scenario, you think Juggy has been short-changed by bad writers? He's got nothing on Thor. In one issue Thor has trouble with Hulk but in another he's fighting the Celestials, it makes no sense. Its been shown that he can shake (nearly shatter) a planet with a full force blow from his hammer and yet Marvel states that Wonder Man can hit with the full strength of Thor's hammer...wtf?-----------------------------------------Either way for all his might Thor could not even scratch or budge the Juggernaut. Full on Hammerstrikes were useless against Juggernaut as they bonced off him. He's laugh.....and then bitchslap Thor......Thor tried some lightening. Juggernaut didn't blink or flinch.....and then he slapped Thor around some more. .....Punchs ?? No goog. Just more ass whooping for Thor. ....Thor soon figured out that it was useless to fight Juggernaut physically, so he swallowed his pride and went into his bag of tricks. Legit win, but he couldn't hang w/uggernaut mano a mano.
Anyway, this whole fight isn't even relevent anymore. In every encounter in the past (Angry) Hulk has won and currently Jobbernaut is a complete joke in terms of power, The Thing could tear him apart like tissue paper. Just because you want him powered up doesn't mean he will...not that it matters because if he did Hulk would only continue his unbeaten streak.------------------------------------------When has angy Hulk ever "won " ?? Their ist fight was not anywhere near finished....it was then interrupted by the X-Men and finished by Xavier (w/ his physchic powers)..........Other than that he has never pulleff a clean win against Juggernaut w/ out outside help (X-Men/ Apocalypse suping him up BIG TIME w/ Celestial power and technology as Horseman War. ................Juggernaut's current power level is a VERY temporary thing. His depowerment has not been a popular move and marvel will address this.......As a matter a fact this is what the next Excalibur story arc deals w/. Either way it's only a matter of time before Juggernaut regains the power that allowed him to EASILY KO the Hulk, KO the Thing, and pimp slap Thor all over his own book.
QUOTE(Dom @ Sep 28 2006, 08:42 AM)
Same for Hulk. His strength has no limit. Eventually, his raw strength will be too much for Juggy and he'll probably just end up tossing him away.
There was a Superman/Spider-Man team-up back in the early eighties where Hulk fought Supes. Superman just stood there and took his beating since he figured Hulk would get tired. After a little bit, though, Superman started to feel the blows and was starting to get pushed back. This was Pre-Crisis Superman, too, the guy who could kick a planet out of orbit if he felt like it.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Juggernauy has NEVER been physically overpowered by anyone in Marvel( Onslaught mainly phsichic attack and Celestial enhanced Hulk don't count, nor do they exist anymore).....His has EASY victories and KO's over the Hulk, Thing, and Collossus. He's seriously manhandled Thor and Captain Britain in their own books....serious ownage. The guy is no joke . Tossing someone away is no victory . It certainly doesn't make for a good story. LOL, Hulk and Superman should do that in every issue from now on....LOL, it's BS and nobody is defeated from that. Not to mention that Juggernaut could EASILY toss the Hulk away in exactly the same manner it's pointless......This is ALL Hulk can do to a fully powered Juggernaut........Well Juggernaut CAN and HAS hurt the Hulk under his own power and w/ no outside help......Juggernaut HAS manhandled Thor in a way Hulk has never been able to......Juggernaut has KOed the thing w/ one punch......I don't think Hulk ever did that either.
At the end of the day a wins a win, no matter how it was done. Juggy would appreciate that being a criminal.
Thor 2 (3?)/ Juggy 0
Hulk 3/ Juggy 0
Smart Hulk 0/ Juggy 1
Also, as I said before, if Juggy was PHYSICALLY capable of stopping Hulk from tossing him like a sack of crap he WOULD have. He didn't because he couldn't simple as that, he just moaned like a whore.
Thor 2 (3?)/ Juggy 0
Hulk 3/ Juggy 0
Smart Hulk 0/ Juggy 1
Also, as I said before, if Juggy was PHYSICALLY capable of stopping Hulk from tossing him like a sack of crap he WOULD have. He didn't because he couldn't simple as that, he just moaned like a whore.
Very conving argument. 
QUOTE(SKARHEAD @ Sep 29 2006, 05:41 AM)
Juggernauy has NEVER been physically overpowered by anyone in Marvel
Oops, except for that time Hulk tossed him like a sack of garbage into a cliff face, right? And certainly not here, either, right?
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( Onslaught mainly phsichic attack and Celestial enhanced Hulk don't count, nor do they exist anymore).....His has EASY victories and KO's over the Hulk, Thing, and Collossus. He's seriously manhandled Thor and Captain Britain in their own books....serious ownage. The guy is no joke . Tossing someone away is no victory . It certainly doesn't make for a good story. LOL, Hulk and Superman should do that in every issue from now on....LOL, it's BS and nobody is defeated from that. Not to mention that Juggernaut could EASILY toss the Hulk away in exactly the same manner it's pointless......This is ALL Hulk can do to a fully powered Juggernaut........Well Juggernaut CAN and HAS hurt the Hulk under his own power and w/ no outside help......Juggernaut HAS manhandled Thor in a way Hulk has never been able to......Juggernaut has KOed the thing w/ one punch......I don't think Hulk ever did that either.
The main advantage Juggy has is he can't be hurt (and even that's not entirely true, he has been cut before). Once Hulk gets pissed off enough, he'd toss Juggs away. Last time I checked, the guy who leaves the fighting area is the automatic loser, conscious or not.
I would actually believe if hulk went into a beserker rage he would kill juggy very easily.
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